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Post by redsoldiergreen on Apr 29, 2018 17:48:42 GMT
Gentlemen .Newbie here. I am starting my Sudan project using Armies in Plastic figures and I know this has been asked many times before ,but I need a reliable method of prepping the figures before painting .In the past I have used vinegar to clean the surface of the figures ( Napoleonic) but the paint just flakes off . I’ve tried to coat with pva also ,but that just won’t stay as an even layer ,it just pools . I use Halfords grey car primer .That works fine on hard plastic and is good on the soft for painting ,but doesn’t stop the paint flaking. It seems the main enemy is the plastics inherent bendability. Also any advice about glue for this type of plastic .Ive just bought some Gorilla glue because it sticks “anything” but then says on the packet do not use on polypropylene!!! Im planning to use block colour toy soldier shiney style ,with a gloss finish.Any tips are gratefully received.
Regards Martin
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Post by alastair on Apr 29, 2018 18:40:03 GMT
Hi Martin, I've used a similar system with my Armies in Plastic figures...I wash the figures in soapy water and then prep with PVA, either straight from the bottle or diluted. I've never heard of using vinegar.
I don't go for the block painting style but paint in main colours and highlight, then use the Army Painter dip to shade and varnish, add more highlights if necessary (or more accurately, if I can be bothered) and then matt varnish once or twice. There is still the risk of flaking on swords, rifle barrels etc....I haven't found a way to make them un-flakeable, but the repeated coats seem to prevent flaking on most of the figures.
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Post by redsoldiergreen on Apr 29, 2018 18:56:06 GMT
Hi Alister the vinegar is supposed to etch the surface a bit but I diddent see much difference really % they were still shiney . I’m going for the traditional style of toy soldier .I think it suits the poses of the Armies in plastic .
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Post by davel on Apr 29, 2018 19:42:42 GMT
Hi Martin,
Like Alistair, I wash in warm soapy water (washing up liquid) and then coat in PVA. I WATER THIS DOWN. I do agonize about doing it though as it does seem to blob and gather in creases when you put it on, but it dries reasonably well. I then spray with an acrylic car primer spray (SO usually use grey).
When I've finished the painting, I varnish the figures. For my 60mm Ancients and 54mm Napoleonics wargaming figures I use Matt varnish. For my"toy" soldiers I use gloss.
Mig do a nice range of varnishes in pots the size of Vallejo paints. For my metal toy soldier look, I use yacht varnish.
One guy told me that when he'd finished painting, he used PVA again to coat the figures. But I've never dared do this as I've seen the PDA drying when I put it on the bare figure and daren't risk ruining my paintwork.
Best Wishes Dave
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Post by Mike Lewis on Apr 29, 2018 19:49:05 GMT
I also wash the figures with warm soapy water and then undercoat in PVA - usually school PVA which is diluted already rather than builder's quality PVA which is quite thick.
Mike
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Post by redsoldiergreen on Apr 29, 2018 19:55:36 GMT
Thanks for your input guys. Would it be ok to log my progress here.?
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Post by Mike Lewis on Apr 30, 2018 7:41:59 GMT
Thanks for your input guys. Would it be ok to log my progress here.? Please do...
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Post by kugelfang on May 2, 2018 23:56:46 GMT
I've used Aleene's Tacky Glue as a primer and a sealer for 54mm figures. There seem to be some plastics that simply won't allow any type of primer to stick to them. Like oil and water. Normally, these days, I use Liquitex artist's gesso for most figures. But, it just rolls off some figures and for those I fall back on using Aleene's as a primer. Slather the entire figure with Aleene's and let it dry at least 24 hours. Then I block paint the figure with acrylic craft paints. Here's the tricky part: Aleene's is water soluble and as you apply the water based acrylic, the Aleene's will swell as it absorbs the water from the paint. Thus, the glue swelling causes the paint to craze but as it drys the glue shrinks again. Consequently, I give a second coat of paint to the figure and since the first coat of paint now provides a water proof barrier for the glue no swelling and cracking occurs. When I'm done painting, I put a second coat of Aleene's over the figure to seal everything in. Aleene's remains flexible which is what (I think) prevents most flaking. It also drys crystal clear and provides a glossy finish which might go along with your intended 'toy soldier' style. I haven't found anything that repels the Aleene's. It seems to stick to everything. Most of my earlier ECW and AWI figures on my blog show where painted with this technique ( petiteguerre.blogspot.com/search/label/AWI ) Good Luck and welcome!
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Post by redsoldiergreen on May 3, 2018 16:55:44 GMT
Thank you .I shall try that as I experiment.
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Post by Quantrilltoy on May 8, 2018 13:54:09 GMT
I use car plastic undercoat. It is a clear spray. (Prior to that I soak figures in vinegar (or/and wash in dishwashing detergent and rinse well, allowing figures to air dry). After painting with acrylics I overcoat with PVA and a drop pf dishwashing detergent. Don't allow it to pool - spread evenly with an old brush. later I overcoat with mat artist's fixative and still later. coat with water based mat and gloss acrylic varnishes.
I find it fairly effective although i occasionally repaint the odd bayonet or sword. Even the latter can be vercome by replacing swords with silver DSG ones (after the figures have already had hands drilled out and bodies painted).
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Post by pinotnoir01 on Mar 11, 2019 4:02:58 GMT
Usually have to dip soldiers in boiling water to straighten muskets or twist heads for variety. Add a drop of dish soap to the boiling water. Then plunge the trooper in to ice cube water to "freeze" the musket/body part into the desired shape. Towel off then air dry. the next day I spray with home depot spray paint that adheres to plastic. Then dry I paint with acrylics, stain with a mix of ink and floor polish (acryllic) and finally spray with gloss then matte clear. Over the years I've had to retouch muskets and swords but the troops stay painted.
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Post by davel on Mar 11, 2019 6:35:48 GMT
A mate of mine has recently put me on to this idea. Wash as usual, then spray the figures with car bumper spray (It's a clear liquid) and this does the same job as PDA, but gives a smoother, thinner coat than the PVA. I've just tried it with my Highlanders and it works a treat
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Post by v on Mar 13, 2019 16:32:24 GMT
In my 'umble opinion... sadly, there's no way you are going to get paint to adhere to 'bendy' plastic, whatever concoctions you dream up! It used to break my heart back in the sixties having to practically re-paint my Airfix warriors every month or so. The fact that 'painting plastic' is still causing much heartache today says it all!
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Post by macscrooge on Mar 25, 2019 14:34:01 GMT
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Post by v on Mar 26, 2019 9:05:01 GMT
Sorry, I got to this bit, laughed out loud at the admission of impending disaster to come, and then stopped reading... "Make sure to put plenty on bendy extremities like musket barrels and swords."
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