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Post by jhonpog on Apr 2, 2019 6:19:59 GMT
From my point of view I am finding the images of each new set from FFG SW LEGION expansion packs quite helpful in working out figure poses and equipment, as they are 'official' SW approved designs. They recently showed a Scout Trooper unit with Sniper team and heavy weapons trooper which I'd like to use as a guide to creating a unit in 54mm. The Unleashed Battle pack range are really all over the place size wise, but some are useable with SWC if taken off the scenic bases, something I personally don't like as in most cases it compromises the figures pose. They do work well though if you are using the sets within their movie location, for example the HOTH sets are great if you are having a winter game, all sets are compatible with each other and additions to the rebels can be done converting figs from the other non - HOTH sets. The Clone Wars sets are fairly compatible with each other but this isn't as popular as the Empire Rebellion era. Your idea for the basis for an ENDOR REBEL TROOPER seems reasonable. For a bigger figure you could probably use the TSSD WW2 US Infantry and support group as a start point as they all have the leggings, maybe need some equipment removed and of course heads swaps and new weapons. Their WW2 Russians and Greatcoat Germans could also work as other rebel types. yeah I've enjoyed discussing this with you Les it's made me go back to some of those unleashed figures and looking at how I can chop them down closer to a 1/30th / 1/32nd size. So you've given me a few more projects cheers! The unleashed hoth figures are closer to 1/32nd I think with ONE noteable exception. I'm looking at how to reduce him down a bit For me if the figures comes in around 57 to 60mm I'm happy. Taller (or shorter) is ok so long as the heft is right. I'll check out those TSSD figures thanks though like you mentioned the airfix british commando boots look good in terms of height and the pants look like they'd work too. I'm really glad I kept my childhood airfix as they are proving to be a great resource for SW conversions.
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 2, 2019 6:21:45 GMT
Found the picture I mentioned earlier of the HASBRO stand at the NEW YORK TOY FAIR showing 4 additional sets for the SWC range. Only one 'Rancor Revenge' which happens to be the one with the packaging came out but is still difficult to find. The other sets have never seen the light of day as actual product. These could have been resin mock-up pieces and not actual plastic, but I have not seen a report either way. 2 of the sets are related to the REBELS animation series 'SCUM & VILLAINY' and 'WOOKIE RESCUE'. The former has one figure that should have been made, that of HERA the pilot, one of the main characters in the series. It also has a main smuggler character, forgot his name, a THUG DROID, and two new versions of KANAN and EZRA. The wookie set has a new character, a wookie holding a stormtrooper helmet over his head and a new Stormtrooper commander. The final set 'Fateful Duel' has a slew of Clone Wars characters including Padme, Darth Maul, etc so quite an important addition to that storyline. Some of these sets were listed as Coming Soon! in 2015 along with 'ENDOR REBELS' but no sign of them in real life ! wow lots of really nice looking figures there damn it!! Sigh so close to an endor rebel too....
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 2, 2019 6:25:12 GMT
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Post by leswhite on Apr 2, 2019 17:15:27 GMT
Which Unleashed HOTH figure are you trying to reduce in height ?
I've noted that many 60mm and above figures are designed in a way that elongates the human form, so by studying the proportions it is sometimes practical to take a few millimetres out of the thigh or waist to get the height down but not compromise the 'look' of a real life person. Obviously the human body does have elongated limbs on some people but you would not normally have a complete group of people that size. This is an argument that many collectors have about scale the normal statement is everybody is different heights however the counter to that is that all weapons are the same size in real life ,by type, so the figure may be 60mm standing next to a 54mm one but if their scale is the same their equipment should be the same size.
Not sure it would be possible to reduce the height of the Unleashed standard Stormtrooper as they are quite bulky compared to the SWC. It may be possible however to use the Clone troopers with some converted items to get smaller stormtroopers, a lot of work which depends on how much effort you want to put in. Most clone troopers are closer to 60mm and less bulky. see pic
I haven't looked into this fully but I'm certain that not all the Stormtroopers are the same size, so picking the smallest might get closer to Clone Trooper size for copying parts.
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Post by leswhite on Apr 2, 2019 17:35:20 GMT
I've seen these Kenner 54mm figures on that blog before but I've never come across any being offered for sale.
When searching for other things I occasionally come across odd SW figures, mostly in metal, with no other details. Example is this Biker Scout on Speeder bike which I came across on an EBay listing, it simply stated made in Spain, no details of the maker.
I'm pretty sure there are 54mm metal and Resin figures out there too, which are re-named to avoid copyright infringement that represent SW Characters, in kit form. Attachments:
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 2, 2019 20:05:09 GMT
Which Unleashed HOTH figure are you trying to reduce in height ?
I've noted that many 60mm and above figures are designed in a way that elongates the human form, so by studying the proportions it is sometimes practical to take a few millimetres out of the thigh or waist to get the height down but not compromise the 'look' of a real life person. Obviously the human body does have elongated limbs on some people but you would not normally have a complete group of people that size. This is an argument that many collectors have about scale the normal statement is everybody is different heights however the counter to that is that all weapons are the same size in real life ,by type, so the figure may be 60mm standing next to a 54mm one but if their scale is the same their equipment should be the same size.
Not sure it would be possible to reduce the height of the Unleashed standard Stormtrooper as they are quite bulky compared to the SWC. It may be possible however to use the Clone troopers with some converted items to get smaller stormtroopers, a lot of work which depends on how much effort you want to put in. Most clone troopers are closer to 60mm and less bulky. see pic
I haven't looked into this fully but I'm certain that not all the Stormtroopers are the same size, so picking the smallest might get closer to Clone Trooper size for copying parts.
I thinking of resizing the hoth trooper with the binoculars. He's 63mm high and hefty so he dwarfs most of the other figures that are more in-scale. Like you say some trimming down of the thigh, waist and the bottom of his feet plus maybe a head swap and he'll look alot better (oh yeah and the base) Id like to get more of those hoth troopers and do some head swaps and reposes. Their weapons tend to be a bit all over the place especially compared to other figures but I'm trying to standardize as I go yeah I agree the stormtroopers are huge there's not alot I can do with them. So I'll be looking to find another source of these guys roughly 60mm and not so hefty. I though the deagostini stormtrooper would work he's a good height but too thin. I might try and get hold of a rawcliffe pewter stormtrooper might be a good base Using a clone is a great idea cheers! Attachments:
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 2, 2019 20:06:25 GMT
I've seen these Kenner 54mm figures on that blog before but I've never come across any being offered for sale.
When searching for other things I occasionally come across odd SW figures, mostly in metal, with no other details. Example is this Biker Scout on Speeder bike which I came across on an EBay listing, it simply stated made in Spain, no details of the maker.
I'm pretty sure there are 54mm metal and Resin figures out there too, which are re-named to avoid copyright infringement that represent SW Characters, in kit form. That biker scout is a danbury chess piece, about the only useable piece I think. Send me a link if you come across any resin kits I'd be interested.
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Post by leswhite on Apr 3, 2019 6:35:56 GMT
Just checked the size of the Unleashed Sandtroopers and they are smaller than the regular Stormtrooper. The helmet and torso are definitely a different scale but difficult to tell if there is much difference in the leg length due to the odd posing of the figures on sand and rocks. I held a Sandtrooper helmet up to the standing clone trooper and it looks about right size wise, I'll get a better idea once I disassemble a clone trooper and compare the proportions. Off the base the clone trooper is about 60mm.
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Post by leswhite on Apr 3, 2019 6:45:45 GMT
Thanks for identifying the Biker scout pewter model, I found a picture of the entire set. The biker scout seems to have an opposing piece also on a speeder bike, possibly Luke Skywalker, which is a similar size. I found a price from one of the listing just for the Biker scout they wanted $ 35.50 ! I think I'll just stick to my plastic ones If I find any listings for resin kits or even pewter ones I'll let you know. The problem is with their descriptions as they don't want to identify the figures as STAR WARS outright they have made up various generic names, so it's difficult to know how to search for them. An example from the ANDREAS MINIATURES range is a model called 'Space Officer', it's Leonard Nimoy as Mr Spock from, 'The Wrath of Khan' movie. This company do a lot of movie related 54mm figures but a search of their current catalogue doesn't show any SW stuff.
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 3, 2019 6:58:29 GMT
Just checked the size of the Unleashed Sandtroopers and they are smaller than the regular Stormtrooper. The helmet and torso are definitely a different scale but difficult to tell if there is much difference in the leg length due to the odd posing of the figures on sand and rocks. I held a Sandtrooper helmet up to the standing clone trooper and it looks about right size wise, I'll get a better idea once I disassemble a clone trooper and compare the proportions. Off the base the clone trooper is about 60mm. nice can't wait to see the results. I'm working on a speeder bike at the moment pics soon
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Post by ninja337337 on Apr 3, 2019 19:01:28 GMT
Hey, I saw this thread from the LAF and decided to join this forum to post. I've been working on a 1/35 scale Star Wars project to use with Star Wars Miniatures Battles for a few years now.
Very meticulous work with the conversions and with creating a list of all available models in this scale. It is definitely essential to be creative. I have a few toys and model kits that also fit this scale, or are at least passable. Will post pictures later.
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 3, 2019 22:59:33 GMT
Thanks for identifying the Biker scout pewter model, I found a picture of the entire set. The biker scout seems to have an opposing piece also on a speeder bike, possibly Luke Skywalker, which is a similar size. I found a price from one of the listing just for the Biker scout they wanted $ 35.50 ! I think I'll just stick to my plastic ones Yeah I think it's Leia. Not sure how good the sculpting is and as you say it's pricey for a single figure. But it's arguably the only 1/32 endor trooper avaliable but having had a look she doesn't have a helmet on I don't think damn it!
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 3, 2019 23:04:13 GMT
Hey, I saw this thread from the LAF and decided to join this forum to post. I've been working on a 1/35 scale Star Wars project to use with Star Wars Miniatures Battles for a few years now.
Very meticulous work with the conversions and with creating a list of all available models in this scale. It is definitely essential to be creative. I have a few toys and model kits that also fit this scale, or are at least passable. Will post pictures later.
Hey Ninja welcome aboard! Looking forward to seeing what you've got I'm keen to see what you come up with for the SWMB rules. One of things I like about the scale is being able to adapt vehicles, scratch build pieces and convert proxy figures; it makes things more challenging and makes you more inventive i reckon
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 3, 2019 23:22:04 GMT
okay a quick WIP on one of my alarmingly large number of SW 54mm projects! Years ago I bought the scalextric SW slot car set thinking "awesome the bikers are advertised as 1/32nd scale". Turned out that wasn't quite the case. Then I bought the disney store diecast speeder bike as that looked about the right length. I even managed to convince myself it would work until I put the deagostini biker scout next to it. gah! So my scalextric speeder bikes are going under the knife in an attempt to get a 1/30th scale bike for the deagostini figure. My cloning process is having a couple of glitches but I'll sort that and surprisingly the speeder bike is cutting down quite well From top to bottom: Disney diecast speeder and deagostini figure, My cloned bikerscout, disney diecast with a scalextric bike body and my chopped up WIP
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 5, 2019 3:03:26 GMT
STAR WARS PROXY FIGURES If you're not too fussed about size and scale there are a number of larger options out there to supplement your collection. In the mid 1990's Applause released a series of pvc figures including a Lando and Leia in rebel alliance uniform; two figures you can't find elsewhere at this stage. From memory they are 80 - 90mm tall Additionally hasbro have released a number of similarly sized chess sets from the OT and PT over the years that you can pick up relatively cheaply. Not to my taste personally but not everyone is as nutso about scale as me! And while I remember there were a series of cake toppers in this larger scale too. Also the attacktix range of figures again are over scaled but would do in a pinch. This range had a medical droid that would be a good addition
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