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Post by leswhite on Apr 14, 2019 18:10:23 GMT
Think we can get to 10 pages fairly quickly if more folks added to this thread, plenty more to discuss !
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 14, 2019 21:01:38 GMT
yeah that's a good call I am going to try and stick to finishing scatter terrain at this stage plus figures of course. For vehicles I've got the big hasbro AT AT, the old hasbro AT ST, some vintage mini-rigs and the unleashed snowspeeder. Got a few other on the boil of course I've got the vintage kenner imperial transport toy that REBELS based theirs upon. The scale is good me and the boy have played a few "no-rules" games and it looks good. I'm using Apoxy Sculpt because I've got a truckload of it. It seems to work pretty well so far. Hey I'd love to see a show-case of your SW collection at some stage, especially your conversions I'll do the same when I've done a bit more painting
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 14, 2019 21:02:30 GMT
Think we can get to 10 pages fairly quickly if more folks added to this thread, plenty more to discuss ! ha ha yes I don't think it'll take long. There used to be a few threads on TMP and there's some on LAF plus a handful of blogs but other than that there's nowhere near enough 54mm SW
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Post by ninja337337 on Apr 15, 2019 3:05:05 GMT
Hey! I like Star Wars vehicles. I have a short list of vehicles that should work along with their product line and approximate scale:
* T-34 Landspeeder (Revell ~1/24)
* A-Wing (Hasbro Power of the Force, ~1/24)
* Han Solo's Landspeeder (Revell 1/29)
* Imperial Speeder Bike from Solo (Revell 1/29)
* Luke's X-Wing (Revell Snaptite MAX 1/29)
* Anakin's ETA-2 Starfighter (Revell 1/29)
* AAT Tank (AMT 1/32)
* Anakin's Podracer (AMT 1/32)
* Snowspeeder (Unleashed Battle Packs 1/32)
* Vader's Tie Fighter (MPC 1/32)
* Speeder Bike (Disney Store ~1/32)
* Vulture Droids (Hasbro 1/32 ?)
* First Order Tie Fighter (Revell 1/30)
* Grievous's Starfighter (Revell 1/30)
* Speeder Bike (Deagostini 1/35)
* Rey's Speeder (Disney Store ~1/35)
* Naboo Starfighter (AMT 1/40)
* AT-ST (MPC 1/54)
* AT-AT (Disney Parks Popcorn bucket 1/54)
* Millennium Falcon (Hasbro Hero Series 1/72)
If the kit is too expensive, too rare or too big to fit under my bed, I did not put it on this list. I have built most of these kits or have seen them long enough to judge their scale. Enjoy.
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Post by aducknamedjoe on Apr 15, 2019 19:51:27 GMT
Wow, this has really blown up! Love all the info on figures. jhonpog I also love the idea of the regular Imperial Army being the mass of grunts, while the stormtroopers are elite units (IIRC Timothy Zahn took this approach with his Thrawn Trilogy of novels) and wish good figures for regular army troops had been produced (though the SWC "AT-PT Pilots" could be used if you don't mind the facemasks and single pose).
Can you elaborate on your casting/"cloning" process?
I'd be very interested to try something like that myself one of these days.
Hey aduck yeah I've been wanting to do this thread for ages I don't why it took me so long but there you go There's the Empire comic series, plus Zahn's books, WEGs rulebook, the mud troopers from Solo not sure if there's anything else but yeah it makes things more interesting especially for conversions. I hadn't though to use the atpt pilots but's that's a really good idea cheers! As for cloning I've been making moulds of heads, weapons and occasionally whole bodies and then casting them in a fast cure resin to use for conversions. I use silicone rubber for the moulds, a polymer clay to make a mould wall around a head or whatever and urethane casting resin to cast pieces. Smooth On who I think are an american outfit sell internationally and their stuff is pretty good. You can buy reasonably small quantities of everything that will get you ALOT of heads and bits and pieces. I'm happy to send stuff to fellow converters if there's anything you need and if I have it. At the moment I've got a bunch of imperial fleet trooper heads a few x wing heads and I'm going to cast up my power droid soon. Thanks for that comparison pic I like the pose of the left hand figure, you can never have enough stormtroopers Very cool, just looked up Smooth On and it seems like they've got a lot of good mold-making equipment. Any particular online tutorials you recommend for learning how to do homecasting like that? Would be nice to field a full regiment of stormies...
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 15, 2019 21:01:42 GMT
I think the smooth on site might have some tutorials? I'm not sure. If you google it you'll find something. If you can't find anything I would just make all your mistakes on one small mould There are a few things that can go wrong but so long as you mix your product properly (you can add oxide powder to one to colour it) and your mould doesn't leak you'll be ok. I would start with a single pour mould like the pic I posted and then move onto 2 part moulds Yes agreed more stormtroopers cannot be a bad thing
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 15, 2019 21:05:48 GMT
Hey! I like Star Wars vehicles. I have a short list of vehicles that should work along with their product line and approximate scale: * T-34 Landspeeder (Revell ~1/24) * A-Wing (Hasbro Power of the Force, ~1/24) * Han Solo's Landspeeder (Revell 1/29) * Imperial Speeder Bike from Solo (Revell 1/29) * Luke's X-Wing (Revell Snaptite MAX 1/29) * Anakin's ETA-2 Starfighter (Revell 1/29) * AAT Tank (AMT 1/32) * Anakin's Podracer (AMT 1/32) * Snowspeeder (Unleashed Battle Packs 1/32) * Vader's Tie Fighter (MPC 1/32) * Speeder Bike (Disney Store ~1/32) * Vulture Droids (Hasbro 1/32 ?) * First Order Tie Fighter (Revell 1/30) * Grievous's Starfighter (Revell 1/30) * Speeder Bike (Deagostini 1/35) * Rey's Speeder (Disney Store ~1/35) * Naboo Starfighter (AMT 1/40) * AT-ST (MPC 1/54) * AT-AT (Disney Parks Popcorn bucket 1/54) * Millennium Falcon (Hasbro Hero Series 1/72) If the kit is too expensive, too rare or too big to fit under my bed, I did not put it on this list. I have built most of these kits or have seen them long enough to judge their scale. Enjoy. Hey ninja that's a really good list thanks! I've got a couple of those I'd like more:) I think you've pretty much covered all the avaliable kits out there. What do you think about the Hasbro Y-wing and LAAT? I guess they are not really kitsets but I think they would scale in pretty well Also any chance of some comparison pics with SWC or unleashed figure?
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Post by leswhite on Apr 15, 2019 21:25:51 GMT
Here is a great convertors resource, although it shows mainly figures and vehicles for REBELS. The concept drawings are in full colour show all the details necessary to model onto a 3D figure and the illustrations also have coloured squares to indicate what item is what colour, just like a kit instruction really. starwarsrebels.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Character_GalleriesSurf the whole resource , it will take some time, there are lots of great items here and good screen shots of backgrounds for scenery and buildings.
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Post by leswhite on Apr 15, 2019 21:31:19 GMT
The REBELS AT-DP driver figure is a useful source for bits for other figures. I used just his helmet for my Armoured Officer conversion and with a nice fresh scalpel and some patience you can remove his arms and reposition them to get more poses to create a unit. The legs could work for other Rebel types. All the Britains Herald US cavalry are the correct scale to accept the SWC weapons, I expect the Herald Cowboys and Indians would work too and even the KHAKI infantry, especially the Made in China ones that have quite a few useable poses which just need weapons changed. The other useful figure is the Tie Pilot, he can be repositioned to fire his blaster or simple as a donor for parts to make up other Rebel types. You will only need a few Tie Pilots I would think along with the X-Wing pilots so plenty of bits from them to use too!
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Post by ninja337337 on Apr 15, 2019 23:37:55 GMT
The Y-Wing is tough because it is a very big ship. Almost twice the size of an X-Wing. The Kenner/Hasbro toys are also rather collectable and so they are outside my interest to be honest.
There is a also nice cheap Y-Wing that came out for Star Wars Rebels that works better as a tank than a ship. Kind of like the old minirig toys.
The Hasbro LAAT is another expensive one. Even a broken one with all the parts lost is $70-80.
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 16, 2019 0:07:15 GMT
The REBELS AT-DP driver figure is a useful source for bits for other figures. I used just his helmet for my Armoured Officer conversion and with a nice fresh scalpel and some patience you can remove his arms and reposition them to get more poses to create a unit. The legs could work for other Rebel types. All the Britains Herald US cavalry are the correct scale to accept the SWC weapons, I expect the Herald Cowboys and Indians would work too and even the KHAKI infantry, especially the Made in China ones that have quite a few useable poses which just need weapons changed. The other useful figure is the Tie Pilot, he can be repositioned to fire his blaster or simple as a donor for parts to make up other Rebel types. You will only need a few Tie Pilots I would think along with the X-Wing pilots so plenty of bits from them to use too!
that's a real nice conversion that one. Yes agreed they are very useful figures to stock pile. Anything with boots and coveralls make a good base I reckon. I'm already eyeing up my SWC tie pilots I'm not sure how long they will survive in their current shape I'm planning to make a series of rebel operative types out of the bits box so they'll be useful thanks for that rebels link there's a ton of info to go through!
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 16, 2019 0:11:23 GMT
The Y-Wing is tough because it is a very big ship. Almost twice the size of an X-Wing. The Kenner/Hasbro toys are also rather collectable and so they are outside my interest to be honest.
There is a also nice cheap Y-Wing that came out for Star Wars Rebels that works better as a tank than a ship. Kind of like the old minirig toys.
The Hasbro LAAT is another expensive one. Even a broken one with all the parts lost is $70-80.
the hasbro stuff does tend to be on the bulky side for 54mm. If I find a beater Y wing I might have a go at converting it. You're right the LAAT's are expensive but I like the vehicles that span the OT and PT. Makes total sense that the rebels would repurpose old clone wars vehicles: a bit like using ww2 tech in the vietnam war?
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Post by jhonpog on Apr 16, 2019 8:08:17 GMT
ok a quick WIP of a rescaled General Veers. I managed to cut about 5mm out of this beast of figure and I attached a different officer head. The new and somewhat improved figure comes in around 57 - 58mm if you exclude his cap. I'm going to try and reduce his feet which are more like paddles at the moment. I really like the deagostini obi wan figure. He's 55mm to the top of his head and is a nice heft. I'm going to try and use him as my comparison figure in the future and here he is with the two Veers figures. He still looks shorter but if he stood up straight it would be a pretty good fit I reckon
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Post by leswhite on Apr 16, 2019 21:10:46 GMT
A suggestion on your WIP reduced size General Veer conversion. Find a smaller head more in keeping with Obi Wans' size and either replace the huge feet or cut them down by one third of their present size. These differences should bring the scale down to closer to Obi Wan.
For me the width of the shoulders related to the size of the head is what looks too big, makes the conversion just a shorter officer in the same scale as Veers. The feet from the Imperial Officer standing with one arm behind his back would be a good size to use.
I do a lot of trial and error when creating a conversion I just go with what I think looks right. It's very subjective of course and we all have our methods Here is a downscaled Spanish Priest that I did, cutting down the robe was the easy part but it became quite apparent that the original head would be too big so I replaced it with another smaller one and cut down the length of the arms too. This was for my Napoleonic Pennisular war group but I suppose if I gave him a light sabre he would work as a Jedi !
It looks like you have made a copy of Veers with his arms still on. May I suggest that you remove any removable bits from the figures when copying it will make mould making easier. With The unleashed figures if you place the whole figure in a bowl of boiling water it goes soft like rubber so it is easy to carefully pop out any arms or heads with out damaging them giving you the separate pieces to cast. This also works for removing figures from the decorative bases. Attachments:
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Post by ninja337337 on Apr 16, 2019 22:29:02 GMT
First picture!
Both AT-STs are MPC models. One on the right had some eye shutters and railing attached, one on the left is just painted and based. If the model were to scale, one human would be about as tall as the chicken walker's calf. These guys are about two heads taller and the cockpit would not likely fit a wookiee. I don't care.
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