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Post by tradgardmastre on Nov 18, 2022 17:43:06 GMT
Evening all,
I was wondering what figures might be available to represent Welsh of the 11th century..
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Post by patrick on Nov 18, 2022 20:17:50 GMT
I have not come across any.
There is limited historical evidence anyway of what they looked like.
There are two illustrations in WRG armies of fuedal europe, one archer and one spearman.
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Post by patrick on Nov 18, 2022 20:28:18 GMT
For cavalry Irregular Miniatures 'Norman Cavalry with Lance' has an overarm pose and separate shield. So just paint his legs bare, cut the lane down to a javelin and substitute a round shield. My books mention javelin cavalry for this period, switching to lance in the 12th century. The chap on the far right of this picture www.patrickswargames.uk/normans/knightsF.jpg is this figure converted to upright arm. |
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Post by tradgardmastre on Nov 19, 2022 7:46:15 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions Patrick. It as I feared re lack of figures. The wrg book has a couple of nice illustrations and interesting detail. I like the Gildas book on the Journey through Wales too. I had an idea to raise some Welsh for Woking to oppose your Normans …
I need to have a wee think. Perhaps Saxons with their moustaches might work but they have long hair.
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Post by spiritofethandune on Nov 19, 2022 10:07:17 GMT
Great suggestion Patrick. I've been looking for 40mm Welsh, Scottish and Irish to face off against my Anglo-Saxons (Vikings are boring  ). Sadly Irregular do nothing like that in their 42mm range (not even Normans to convert). |
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Post by patrick on Nov 19, 2022 16:28:17 GMT
Does anyone know what Galwegians looked like? At some stage in the future I was thinking of doing a portable wargames like Battle of the Standard. With 4 figures to a stand the anglo-norman leader could chose to deploy stands of 2 knights with 2 archers behind or 2 knights with 2 levy behind or 1 knight & 1 archer with 2 levy behind, etc... I doubt I'll have time before March to pluck up the courage to ask the wife for enough money to ask Irregular to do a conversion of their norman spearman on foot www.patrickswargames.uk/normans/spearmenB.jpg into a mid C11th knight, by adding mail hose, and a mail coif, with flap over lower face. With dismounted knights all the (rare) pitched Norman battles in England and Normandy become available to play as a portable wargame, and I could also play a Robin Hood's grandad skirmish game inside my motte and bailey castle. I do have 12 unpainted armoured spearmen I was going to file down to unarmoured spearmen but if anyone knows how to make milliput or similar look like mail I could try to convert them up to knights myself. To make mail I thought I could prick milliput whilst soft with a pin but its too clingy, and accurately drilling dried milliput with a 1mm drill bit is beyond my skill. |
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Post by tradgardmastre on Nov 19, 2022 18:05:49 GMT
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Post by tradgardmastre on Nov 19, 2022 18:10:48 GMT
I’m tempted to go down the scots route myself - with the hooded irregular miniatures scots medieval pikeman and maybe picts , if available, to supplement…
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Post by patrick on Nov 19, 2022 22:00:34 GMT
Thanks for the links. I am going to read them straight away.
The standard seems a good pitched battle to wargame. The scots have choices of which troops lead the attack, and the anglo-normans how to deploy the archers, and whether to keep a mounted reserve. Also you uniquely get the wagon with the holly banners. Every book on anglo norman warfare I have has a slightly different guess on how and where the anglo-norman archers were deployed.
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Post by patrick on Feb 9, 2023 19:42:38 GMT
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Post by tradgardmastre on Feb 10, 2023 7:28:17 GMT
Pat, thank you for the link. I really enjoyed the article about the Galwegians, most interesting. I also enjoyed the bog body one which was also in the pdf.
Celtic fanatic figures might make good Galwegians with their hair not lime painted but painted as wild hair. A few shield changes and possibly weapon changes might add variety.
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). Sadly Irregular do nothing like that in their 42mm range (not even Normans to convert).